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		<title>Even Microsoft can&#8217;t make sites work in IE</title>
		<link>http://www.sandwichesandapples.org/2009/10/30/even-microsoft-cant-make-sites-work-in-ie/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If, for some completely ridiculous reason, you need even more proof that Microsoft&#8217;s Internet Explorer browser is a total piece of crap, check this out.
Currently Microsoft.com (no, I&#8217;m not going to link it) looks like this in IE:

Here&#8217;s what it looks like in Firefox, a real modern browser:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, for some completely ridiculous reason, you need even more proof that Microsoft&#8217;s Internet Explorer browser is a total piece of crap, check this out.</p>
<p>Currently Microsoft.com (no, I&#8217;m not going to link it) looks like this in IE:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sandwichesandapples.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/microsoft-in-ie.png"><img src="http://www.sandwichesandapples.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/microsoft-in-ie-300x178.png" alt="microsoft-in-ie" title="microsoft-in-ie" width="300" height="178" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2304" /></a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what it looks like in <a href="http://mozilla.com">Firefox</a>, a real modern browser:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sandwichesandapples.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/microsoft-in-firefox.png"><img src="http://www.sandwichesandapples.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/microsoft-in-firefox-300x242.png" alt="microsoft-in-firefox" title="microsoft-in-firefox" width="300" height="242" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-2306" /></a></p>
<p>Abandon IE please.  For the sake of all of us who make websites.  And consider abandoning Microsoft completely. </p>



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		<title>ie8 breaking?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t entirely trust this report from TechRepublic (it&#8217;s missing some technical  details).  It&#8217;s a warning about bugs in the new Internet Explorer (version 8).  Basically a &#8220;meet the new IE, same as the old IE&#8221; situation.  Stop using it already.  Try out Firefox or Chrome.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t entirely trust <a href="http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=1032&#038;tag=nl.e064">this report from TechRepublic</a> (it&#8217;s missing some technical  details).  It&#8217;s a warning about bugs in the new Internet Explorer (version 8).  Basically a &#8220;meet the new IE, same as the old IE&#8221; situation.  Stop using it already.  Try out <a href="http://mozilla.com">Firefox</a> or <a href="http://google.com/chrome">Chrome</a>.</p>



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		<title>Passionate about whose standards?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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I wasn&#8217;t aware until this week that Microsoft made a product called Expression for building websites. Once I checked it out, I was baffled by the claim that they&#8217;re &#8220;passionate about standards.&#8221;  This from a software company whose internet browser is incompliant with accepted web standards.  



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<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware until this week that Microsoft made a product called Expression for building websites. Once I checked it out, I was baffled by the claim that they&#8217;re &#8220;passionate about standards.&#8221;  This from a software company whose internet browser is incompliant with accepted web standards.  </p>



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		<title>I dropped ie6</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha.  A sensible movement in web development.  A site that catalogs sites that have dropped support for an unsafe, unsupported browser that just makes our jobs harder: <a href="http://idroppedie6.com/">I Dropped IE6</a>.</p>



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		<title>KTLA&#8217;s cyber unsavviness</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave aside the content in the web page displayed and check out the chrome on the browser. KTLA&#8217;s Cyber Guy uses Internet Explorer 7. You&#8217;d expect a tech expert to use a smarter, safer browser but this is pretty much what I expect from Knutsson who once claimed after spending a day with Paris Hilton that she was very intelligent.  So is IE7, Kurt. *eyeroll*</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For God&#8217;s sake, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/16/AR2008121601022.html">stop using IE</a>.</p>



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		<title>37signals dropping support for IE6</title>
		<link>http://www.sandwichesandapples.org/2008/09/05/37signals-dropping-support-for-ie6/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On October 1, 37signals will no longer support Internet Explorer 6.  I haven&#8217;t been supporting it for years.  Not exactly on purpose but still&#8230;



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On October 1, <a href="http://37signals.blogs.com/products/2008/07/basecamp-phasin.html">37signals will no longer support Internet Explorer 6</a>.  I haven&#8217;t been supporting it for years.  Not exactly on purpose but still&#8230;</p>



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		<title>weaning users off internet explorer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We had a brief discussion via email around the office today.  The head of our UI team sent everyone a link to a new .png (I pronounce it &#8220;ping&#8221;) fix for Microsoft&#8217;s Internet Explorer (IE).  I know for the non-webby it still sometimes comes as a surprise that IE is so despised by [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a brief discussion via email around the office today.  The head of our UI team sent everyone a link to a new .png (I pronounce it &#8220;ping&#8221;) fix for Microsoft&#8217;s Internet Explorer (IE).  I know for the non-webby it still sometimes comes as a surprise that IE is so despised by web developers but here it is: IE is crappy and here&#8217;s one reason.  A .png is a type of graphic file like a .jpg (&#8220;jay-peg&#8221;) or .gif (&#8220;gif&#8221;).  IE doesn&#8217;t render transparent .pngs correctly so designers must employ a hack to make this very common file format work in this very common browser.</p>
<p>One of our designers responded with another Microsoft complication to avoid.  I responded, &#8220;Avoid Microsoft. Period.&#8221;  Which got a response like &#8220;Oh, I heard you don&#8217;t like IE. If only you can convince billions of people to stop using it&#8230;&#8221;  Har har.  <span id="more-1613"></span></p>
<p>But it got me thinking&#8230; how better to convince the majority of users to stop using IE than by having designers simply stop supporting it?  I&#8217;ve joked about this in the past but I&#8217;m getting really serious about it.  There&#8217;s no need to disable websites viewed in IE but why not simply add a conditional comment<sup>1</sup> that alerts users &#8220;You are using an inferior browser and parts of this webpage will render incorrectly.  Please consider using <a href="http://mozilla.com">Firefox</a>, <a href="http://flock.com">Flock</a>, <a href="http://apple.com/safari">Safari</a>, <a href="http://opera.com">Opera</a> or pretty much anything else.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I mean, once users see .pngs rendered with that stupid blue halo that IE creates won&#8217;t they start to think, &#8220;ugh, this site looks like shit in this browser,&#8221; and check out a new browser?  If my television started to show stupid blue halos around people, I&#8217;d think about getting a new one.  I wouldn&#8217;t blame Will and Grace.</p>
<p>But instead designers bend over backwards &#8212; actually more than backwards since we sometimes create completely new stylesheets and code to accommodate IE &#8212; to make sure sites render the same across all browsers.  Why?  <em>We&#8217;re</em> the ones creating the sites that people are visiting, <em>not Microsoft</em>.  So if sites look like hell in Microsoft&#8217;s product, and users are told that&#8217;s why they look like hell, then maybe they&#8217;ll move on or Microsoft will improve.  </p>
<p>Even though we curse IE, we act as though this problem is ours because it affects our users&#8217; experience &#8212; we think if users are looking at our sites in IE, then we must accommodate.  But the truth is that our users have choice just like they do when choosing a stereo or a TV.  If a record sounds like garbage through cheap speakers, a user doesn&#8217;t curse the record; he shops for new speakers.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re making the music here.  Microsoft makes the cheap speakers.</p>
<p><small><sup>1</sup> &#8220;conditional comments&#8221; are code that only IE recognizes allowing designers to target IE.  In other words, Microsoft <em>knows</em> their browser doesn&#8217;t behave like it should and they&#8217;ve provided a programmatic way for designers to isolate code to fix IE&#8217;s bugs.</small></p>



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